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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Pas Benarkan Tuntutan Gereja Guna Kalimah Allah??!!! Reply with quote

The day Catholics welcomed a man from PAS in Shah Alam PDF Print E-mail
Posted by kasee
Saturday, 05 April 2008

Khalid Samad gets standing ovation from Church of Divine Mercy congregation
The Malaysian Insider
Partai Islam SeMalaysia or PAS often conveys a fundamentalist, hard-line image to non-Muslims. Getting behind the rhetoric, Insider's DEBRA CHONG shows there's a more engaging, even openly embracing, side to some PAS politicians.

“BETTER the devil you know than the angel you don't”. Those familiar with this phrase by Ethiopian satirist Hama Tutu usually hear it advocated in the face of change, when those in power anticipate a revolt.

In Shah Alam, however, some 2,000 Christians have learnt that it's better to embrace the unknown entity than to put up with and suffer a known demon.

On March 27, Khalid Abdul Samad became the first elected Muslim Member of Parliament to step into the Roman Catholic Church of the Divine Mercy since it was completed in 2005. The congregation gave him a standing ovation.

Perhaps more stunning is that Khalid is from Parti Islam SeMalaysia and was the one to initiate contact. And he reassured the Christians in attendance that they could continue to use the word “Allah” in their worship without fear of persecution.

Previously, the federal government had banned Christians from using the word “Allah” in referring to God in their worship for fear that it would confuse the Muslim Malays and lead them astray from Islam. Bibles printed in the national language were also seized. This was reversed sometime last year, but the damage was already done.

Khalid said that in all Arabic-speaking communities, “Allah” just means “God”, therefore it is not “unique to Islam”. He had once attended church in the Middle East and heard a Christian priest preach in Arabic with no trouble.

“For us, the problem is we're not an Arabic-speaking country. Therefore some people question why non-Muslims have to use this word when it is not really necessary. People then make all sorts of speculations about idealogy. But there's no reason for the word to be banned from Christian worship. We're quite

happy if people use it.

“It's not just my personal opinion but is consistent with the party's view. Basically it shouldn't be any problem. And I made it quite clear to the people in church that night,” Khalid explained over the phone yesterday.

The parishioners were especially impressed that Khalid was the one who approached them.“It was his own initiative. He contacted our parish priest, Father Paulino Miranda, and said he wanted to come and talk to us,” Joseph Victor, chairman of the church's parish pastoral council told The Malaysian Insider on behalf of Fr Paulino who is away on sabbatical till April 18.

“That's a good sign. Everybody was very happy. This is the first time a Pas MP is coming to a Catholic church. It shows they're not against Catholic churches,” he added.

It was the first time an MP for Shah Alam had, unasked and unaided, actively engaged the non-Muslim community in public discourse in their own backyard, at least on this side of the peninsula.It spurred a parishioner, Tony Yew, to blog about the experience on his website (www.muststopthis.blogspot.com).

“What was evident from the points raised by those who could get their voices heard was crystal clear, abundance of local council issues and the fear of 'subtle religious' persecution.

“With no one to turn to, YB Khalid took all the questions one by one and stressed that the newly-formed coalition government of PKR-Pas-DAP (in no order) was one of consensus by nature,” he wrote.

But Khalid was quick to disclaim credit for the unprecedented move. He said the discourse was made possible because of the mixed effort on both sides.

“Our people working in the (Shah Alam) area heard that the parish priest was campaigning for change in the elections and advocated the congregation to use their votes to bring about change,” said Khalid.

He recounted that he wanted to speak to them, to thank them for giving the Oposition their mandate for change. “I tried my best to answer most of the questions. We talked about government policies, about discrimination – there shouldn't be any! – enforcement and implementation, which would require more detailed explanations, but I just talked about it in short.”

A 9-minute video clip of the dialogue has been made availble on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpwAAWPK6pQ).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satu lagi bukti nyata Pas sanggup menjual agama demi kepentingan peribadi dan politik... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pas akan benar kan apa saja demi kepentingan politik mereka. Jika dahulu mereka anti babi kecuali Nik Aziz yang bersusah payah membela penternak babi di Bukit Pelanduk, sekarang ini kita boleh nampak sekali lagi pas jadi tukang angguk apa bila benar kan Selangor menjadi hub babi dengan kelulusan 100 juta untuk kandang babi!!!

Nampak nya pas susah hilang berjuang untuk bina negara islam tp sekarang pas berjuang untuk bina kandang babi.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patutlah isu babi di Melaka pun langsung tidak dikomen oleh Pas... Rupa-rupanya ada udang di sebalik batu... Ingin menjaga hati DAP rupanya....

Maklumlah bini muda! Harus dijaga hatinya....

Sudah terang lagi bersuluh.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nampak nya kian lama kian nampak jelas betapa melayu2 dalam pas dan pkr telah menjadi boneka kepada pihak lain!!

Satu-satu perkara2 yang susah untuk tertunai seperti isu2 yg kita kemukakan ini di zaman BN dahulu telah menjadi perkara yg cukup mudah di zaman BA sekarang!!

Apa pun kita tunggu, apa kah lagi yang kerajaan BA laku kan. Yg pasti sensitif org melayu kian dimain2 kan!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yang ni dah dibenarkan @ belum??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hai buat2 tanya pula!!! sekarang ini pas kian terbuka. Kalau dulu senang2 kata org gembala babi..sekarang apa macam???

Dalam isu ini, apa saja keadaan..pas telah beri lampu hijau!!!

Nampak nya pas lebih berat kan gereja di selangor dari masjid di kelantan!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hai buat2 tanya pula!!! sekarang ini pas kian terbuka. Kalau dulu senang2 kata org gembala babi..sekarang apa macam???

Dalam isu ini, apa saja keadaan..pas telah beri lampu hijau!!!

Nampak nya pas lebih berat kan gereja di selangor dari masjid di kelantan!!"


mmg aku bertanya laa..sbb tgk tajuk forum tu ada tanda tanya lagi dan aku nampak mcm x konfirm lagi..aku tgk kt sini dah mcm-mcm andaian yg dibuat..yg melawat tu bukankah dia ahli parlimen shah alam..so itu sebahagian dari tanggungjawab beliau sebagai MP..x kan nak melawat org melayu saja..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apa nak di hairankan, Tuan Guru Nik Aziz pun merasmikan tokong budha kat Kelantan.....itulah Pulun Apa Saja, bak kata TDM "MENGHALALKAN CARA"

Agaknya apa perasaan abang nya Sharil bila dapat tahu perkara ini?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ish... Takpo... Kawe parti Isle.... Gerenti masuk syurgo! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sblm tu aku nak bg info..

aku DAVID
asl Sabah,org iban tatau bintulu swk,
skrg duk KL..

aku nak tanya ko org UMNO semua..
UMNO untk org islam saje ke??
apa beza nik aziz rasmi tokong
ngan org UMNO islam bg kawasan tapak gereja kt sabah..?
aku lupa nama menteri tu
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ni yang aku musykil ni... Nik Aziz kononnya pemimpin Islam ... Perjuangkan Islam... Sampai sanggup pulak pergi rasmi tokong... Apahal dengan dia ni...? Nyanyuk dah ke?

Yang gereja tu pulak hanya beri tapak ... Bukan pergi rasmi pembukaan gereja tu kan?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aku tak berani komen la hal-hal cam ni sebab aku tak arif...

Macinda @ David, aku tak dapat jawab soalan tu... UMNO sekaranng dah bercelaru.. samada UMNO tu mel;ayu atau tak aku tak tahu.. ramai sangat dah dalam tu... dari benua india ada, benua arab ada, semua nak mengaku melayu....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yang pasti nya pas skrg lebih terbuka. Kalau dahulu jangan ada yang tidak sealiran dengan mereka, pasti akan ada hujjah utk mempertikai kan akidah org lain.

Tetapi sekarang mereka sudah ada kuasa, maka benar lah kata org tua2 dahulu lain sekarang lain!! Dulu pas tiada kuasa, cita2 cuma nak bina masjid tetapi bila ada kuasa kandang babi pun mereka nak bina!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nilah yang dikatakan JAGUH KAMPUNG... Kalau dengan sesama Islam, bukan main lagi ... Dikatakan kafir, diberikannya neraka dan sebagainya...

Kalau dengan kaum lain dalam DAP dan PKR, takut macam tikus...
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